listen on the cipher brief listen on apple podcasts More about our experts Staff Trey Herr Senior Director Cyber Statecraft Initiative Digital Forensic Research Lab Cybersecurity Digital Policy Fellow Simon Handler Nonresident Fellow Cyber Statecraft Initiative Digital Forensic Research Lab Cybersecurity Middle East Staff Emma Schroeder Associate Director Cyber Statecraft Initiative Digital Forensic Research Lab Conflict Cybersecurity Related Experts: Trey Herr, Emma Schroeder, and Simon Handler