The Federal Innovator is a podcast for and about the innovators taking on the biggest challenges in the federal government — and making change that is more human, simple, and enduring. This podcast is co-hosted by Tim Irvine, managing director and lead at Accenture Federal Digital Studio, and Stephanie Wander, deputy director and senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

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